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Reversing Polarity on a Solenoid

Started by davisgraveyard, September 06, 2009, 11:25:53 PM

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davisgraveyard

I am using several 12V solenoid's with  Prop-1 to create a russling in the bushes effect.  The solenoids are car power lock actuators.   I want to to be able to throw the arm all the way out and then pull it back.  In a previous thread you posted a diagram for doing this with a motor.    
http://www.efx-tek.com/php/smf/index.php?topic=653.msg3466#msg3466

The actuator isn't really a solenoid as much as a geared motor that thrusts a piston foward as long as power is applied or pulls the piston if the polarity is reversed.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Universal-Power-Door-Lock-Actuator-Car-Auto-BEST-DEAL_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em14QQhashZitem563504aa92QQitemZ370256685714QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories

So my question is can I use a simple sealed relay like this one from all electronics
http://www.allelectronics.com/make-a-store/item/RLY-516/MINIATURE-12-VDC-RELAY/1.html  

to swap the polarity?  ANd if I am going to operate several of these randomly one at a time can I use just one relay that works for all of them?

Or is there are better product  you can recomend?



JonnyMac

You need to check the current rating on the device; that small relay is only good for 1A and that may not be sufficient.  As ever, you need to use two relays for reversing: one relay controls the direction of current flow through the coil (or motor) and the other provides on/off control.  If you find a good DPDT relay you can use it for both operations; the on/off relay will just use the COM and N.O. contacts on one side of the relay.

Jon McPhalen
EFX-TEK Hollywood Office

davisgraveyard

The 12VDC power supply I am using to power these is 1.5A.    But I wonder if I shouldn't just use the dual releays that are for cars like this one  http://www.allelectronics.com/make-a-store/item/RLY-525/DUAL-12-VDC-RELAYS-DOOR-LOCK-RELAY-/1.html

It's rated at 5-10A but it is wired to do what I want.  I think they even sell the 6 wire harness for it too.   Now I will just have to figure out how to wire it up? 

Am I going to need one of these for each actuator or can I wire this in a way with the Prop1 that I can use it with several of these that I operate one at a time?

JonnyMac

Great find, Jeff -- I have to share this with a [pro] customer in Kentucky as we were just going through the whole reversing thing the other night.  The elegance of this setup shows I'm not as good with relays as I am with digital electronics.  The way the relays are wired forms what we call an Exclusive OR gate; when one relay OR the other is active -- but NOT both -- current will flow through the external device (terminals B and E). 

I believe you're going to need one per relay module per device, and two outputs to control direction of current, wired like this:


I believe you will need one relay pack and two outputs per device you want to [independently] control.



Jon McPhalen
EFX-TEK Hollywood Office

davisgraveyard

You sure there isn't a way I could wire this thing so I used the single pair of relays to toggle all 7 actuators and use OUT1-7 to toggle which actuator was live and OUT0 would toggle the actuators direction?




JonnyMac

Yes, I'm quite sure.  That said... I've been wrong in the past so if you come up with a solution that is escaping me I'd love to see it.
Jon McPhalen
EFX-TEK Hollywood Office